tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post261574379197623057..comments2024-03-28T03:20:17.335-04:00Comments on Ibnat al-Hidayah: Daughter of Guidance: Does the end justify the means?Amyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15177578450022894894noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-22221220225204173732010-02-19T00:40:05.333-05:002010-02-19T00:40:05.333-05:00Sandy,
that particular hadith isn't specific...Sandy, <br /><br />that particular hadith isn't specifically relevant to my discussion here. There are casing when what we might consider to be "lying" is actually permitted, but those cases are limited. We can't draw from that the conclusion that for a good end, any bad deed is possible. <br /><br />For instance, choosing to be a music performer to lead people to Islam. A woman meeting privately with a man to give him da'wah. An unmarried man and woman riding a bicycle together in order to give da'wah. It's not acceptable to delve into the realm of haraam activities in order to achieve a noble aim, and in fact doing so only corrupts the end result.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177578450022894894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-59186540162332243542010-02-18T23:57:13.677-05:002010-02-18T23:57:13.677-05:00My dear friend, I thought that there are cases whe...My dear friend, I thought that there are cases where Lying is permitted. See Sahih Muslim, Hadith 63030-05<br />Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).Sandynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-35516868681875464192009-02-16T12:25:00.000-05:002009-02-16T12:25:00.000-05:00It seems you have a lot of anger at Muslims for so...It seems you have a lot of anger at Muslims for some reason--maybe you would like to deal with that, instead of trying to find something sinister in Islamic history. <BR/><BR/>Violence is not allowed to be used to establish an Islamic state. That much is quite plain--anyone who argues otherwise is simply mistaken. Violence never was used to establish an Islamic state, and it can't be used now. <BR/><BR/>More to the point, if you're taking Pakistan to be the exemplar of Islamic behavior, then you have pretty much shot yourself in the foot as any sort of credible argument against Islam.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177578450022894894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-31606854227687335472009-02-16T12:12:00.000-05:002009-02-16T12:12:00.000-05:00Oh right, they weren't allowed to use violence unt...Oh right, they weren't allowed to use violence until their numbers were big enough not out of any moral aversion to violence but rather common sense that they would have been anhialated had they used violence at that time but as soon as their numbers were big enough they DID use violence and a LOT of it. There is no sugar coating the Islamic history, Muslims take too much pride in their battles to allow it to be ignored.<BR/><BR/>They are certainly using violence as a means to achieve their Islamic state these days don't they? See Pakistani news.The Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04071652918414242294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-61535924089821639902009-02-15T15:57:00.000-05:002009-02-15T15:57:00.000-05:00No. The Islamic state was established by da'wah, a...No. The Islamic state was established by da'wah, and only by da'wah--not at all by jihad. When Muhammad (saws) found a people willing to accept him, he migrated to that city. It was called Yathrib, and then became known as Medina. That was the establishment of the Islamic state. <BR/><BR/>No jihad. Jihad using force was not even permissible for the Muslims at that time.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177578450022894894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-83341662356415380632009-02-15T15:55:00.000-05:002009-02-15T15:55:00.000-05:00So then he DID use violent jihad for the sake of e...So then he DID use violent jihad for the sake of establishing an Islamic state? But it was justified and very necessary?The Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04071652918414242294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-39608577723906712502009-02-14T20:55:00.000-05:002009-02-14T20:55:00.000-05:00Jihad is a struggle, and force may be used against...Jihad is a struggle, and force may be used against aggression and in order to protect the religion--i.e., to ensure everyone's freedom of religion, and to protect the spread of Islam.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177578450022894894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20631069.post-58722664293124471602009-02-14T11:52:00.000-05:002009-02-14T11:52:00.000-05:00What was the goal of his violent military jihads t...What was the goal of his violent military jihads then?The Queenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04071652918414242294noreply@blogger.com